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		<title>By: Michael Grant Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Grant Smith</dc:creator>
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		<description>Tom, you make some interesting points. Here are some random comments in response to them.

The Internet does not run on vacuum tubes, but is in fact &lt;i&gt;itself&lt;/i&gt; a series of tubes, the tubular kind. There are trucks involved, too:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2006/06/your_own_person.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2006/06/your_own_person.html&lt;/a&gt;

If I, in my own opinion, question the existence of &quot;dog&quot;, do the electrons that store the information about &quot;dog&quot; actually exist, or are they simply faith-based electrons? Are those electrons heavier or lighter than secular electrons (which I call &lt;i&gt;selectrons&lt;/i&gt;)?

If Michael is in the woods with no one around to hear him and he speaks, is he still wrong?

How many electrons can dance on the head of a pin?

Which is heavier, a pound of lead or a pound of electrons?

Thank you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, you make some interesting points. Here are some random comments in response to them.</p>
<p>The Internet does not run on vacuum tubes, but is in fact <i>itself</i> a series of tubes, the tubular kind. There are trucks involved, too:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2006/06/your_own_person.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2006/06/your_own_person.html</a></p>
<p>If I, in my own opinion, question the existence of &#8220;dog&#8221;, do the electrons that store the information about &#8220;dog&#8221; actually exist, or are they simply faith-based electrons? Are those electrons heavier or lighter than secular electrons (which I call <i>selectrons</i>)?</p>
<p>If Michael is in the woods with no one around to hear him and he speaks, is he still wrong?</p>
<p>How many electrons can dance on the head of a pin?</p>
<p>Which is heavier, a pound of lead or a pound of electrons?</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 15:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not buying it.

What he measured is not the weight of the information, but the weight of the medium carrying the information. The same electrons arranged in a random configuration wouldn&#039;t weigh any less would they?

Besides, he just considered the electrons involved in encoding the information when it&#039;s in a memory chip. What about when it&#039;s on disk? How many electrons are involved then? What about when it&#039;s on the wire? I don&#039;t know what the numbers are, but I feel confident they&#039;re different. Does that mean the information has different weights depending on the medium in which it is encoded? It makes no sense to me to call the measurement the weight of the information if it changes with the medium.

Suppose the Internet ran on vacuum tubes, which would use many more electrons to record a bit than solid state capacitors on integrated chips do. Would that mean that the information weighed more? That doesn&#039;t make sense. If information has weight, it should weigh the same no matter how it&#039;s encoded.

We can also imagine storage devices in the future that will be more efficient than current capacitors, using fewer electrons to record each bit. Will that make the information weigh less?

Finally, consider the same information stored in a human brain and in a computer. Take for example, the word &quot;dog&quot;. Based on the argument in the article, we can compute the weight of the word &quot;dog&quot; when stored in an electronic memory. I don&#039;t know how many electrons would be involved in storing the same data in my brain, but I bet it wouldn&#039;t be the same number. If it&#039;s the same information, it should weigh the same regardless of medium. The notion of information having weight seems meaningless to me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not buying it.</p>
<p>What he measured is not the weight of the information, but the weight of the medium carrying the information. The same electrons arranged in a random configuration wouldn&#8217;t weigh any less would they?</p>
<p>Besides, he just considered the electrons involved in encoding the information when it&#8217;s in a memory chip. What about when it&#8217;s on disk? How many electrons are involved then? What about when it&#8217;s on the wire? I don&#8217;t know what the numbers are, but I feel confident they&#8217;re different. Does that mean the information has different weights depending on the medium in which it is encoded? It makes no sense to me to call the measurement the weight of the information if it changes with the medium.</p>
<p>Suppose the Internet ran on vacuum tubes, which would use many more electrons to record a bit than solid state capacitors on integrated chips do. Would that mean that the information weighed more? That doesn&#8217;t make sense. If information has weight, it should weigh the same no matter how it&#8217;s encoded.</p>
<p>We can also imagine storage devices in the future that will be more efficient than current capacitors, using fewer electrons to record each bit. Will that make the information weigh less?</p>
<p>Finally, consider the same information stored in a human brain and in a computer. Take for example, the word &#8220;dog&#8221;. Based on the argument in the article, we can compute the weight of the word &#8220;dog&#8221; when stored in an electronic memory. I don&#8217;t know how many electrons would be involved in storing the same data in my brain, but I bet it wouldn&#8217;t be the same number. If it&#8217;s the same information, it should weigh the same regardless of medium. The notion of information having weight seems meaningless to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Simone</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2007/05/how-much-does-the-internet-weigh.html/comment-page-1#comment-9400</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 04:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best article I have read in months. Thanks, John B.
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