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		<title>By: Daryl Scroggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daryl Scroggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deron-- I&#039;m so glad you and Amy got to see it right away. I think I will write something about it, but I want to see it again first--although I made some notes soon after seeing it and that has helped me in reconstructing it in my thoughts. I think it&#039;s one of those films that is bigger than its general reception will indicate (for now), largely because it&#039;s one of those works about which you could say &quot;its end  is its center.&quot; This makes it hard for usual narrative structures to work with respect to closure. It is one big metaphor for the engine of Karma--a kind of mandala, in my view. In this sense it reminded me of many aspects of &lt;i&gt;Groundhog Day&lt;/i&gt;, including the fact that many people see that film as simply a delightful little romantic comedy, while many others have embraced it as a masterful illustration of Buddhist thought.

I found myself thinking: We ask the world to show us who we are, and it does--but we don&#039;t see it even when it hits us in the face. Owen has hit the dirt face first: we are born and almost instantly hit the dirt, but our lives writhe with patterns that are bigger than we are--that we keep trying to see more clearly by way of rituals and journeys. But you can&#039;t go looking to fall in love, and you can&#039;t find enlightenment by way of a map and a train schedule.

Some of the things I want to think more about are:

--The many metaphors of transport

--the many illustrations of proverbs ( as in the old Chinese proverb: In the course of a long life a wise man will be called upon to abandon all of his luggage more than once. Also, the shoeshine boy running off with &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; of Owen&#039;s shoes calls to mind many Zen koans and proverbs (&quot;The thief tries to get ahead, but steals one shoe,&quot; and James Richardson&#039;s aphorism: &quot;What you give a thief is stolen&quot;); and other more generally applicable proverbs, as in-- &quot;A donkey gone a&#039;traveling never comes back a horse.&quot;

--metaphors for cycles ( including the belt that keeps changing hands)

--the relation between the three brothers and the three boys (brothers?) swept away when the raft overturns.

--the importance of the scene in which a series of train cars is shown as sequential (part of the same train) when each car and even the location visible from each window is different.

--the relation between the three brothers and the Hindu gods Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva.

Anyway--maybe I &lt;i&gt;won&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; write about it, since I have said so much here! But it will be fun to talk about it with those of us who are interested in such things.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deron&#8211; I&#8217;m so glad you and Amy got to see it right away. I think I will write something about it, but I want to see it again first&#8211;although I made some notes soon after seeing it and that has helped me in reconstructing it in my thoughts. I think it&#8217;s one of those films that is bigger than its general reception will indicate (for now), largely because it&#8217;s one of those works about which you could say &#8220;its end  is its center.&#8221; This makes it hard for usual narrative structures to work with respect to closure. It is one big metaphor for the engine of Karma&#8211;a kind of mandala, in my view. In this sense it reminded me of many aspects of <i>Groundhog Day</i>, including the fact that many people see that film as simply a delightful little romantic comedy, while many others have embraced it as a masterful illustration of Buddhist thought.</p>
<p>I found myself thinking: We ask the world to show us who we are, and it does&#8211;but we don&#8217;t see it even when it hits us in the face. Owen has hit the dirt face first: we are born and almost instantly hit the dirt, but our lives writhe with patterns that are bigger than we are&#8211;that we keep trying to see more clearly by way of rituals and journeys. But you can&#8217;t go looking to fall in love, and you can&#8217;t find enlightenment by way of a map and a train schedule.</p>
<p>Some of the things I want to think more about are:</p>
<p>&#8211;The many metaphors of transport</p>
<p>&#8211;the many illustrations of proverbs ( as in the old Chinese proverb: In the course of a long life a wise man will be called upon to abandon all of his luggage more than once. Also, the shoeshine boy running off with <i>one</i> of Owen&#8217;s shoes calls to mind many Zen koans and proverbs (&#8220;The thief tries to get ahead, but steals one shoe,&#8221; and James Richardson&#8217;s aphorism: &#8220;What you give a thief is stolen&#8221;); and other more generally applicable proverbs, as in&#8211; &#8220;A donkey gone a&#8217;traveling never comes back a horse.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;metaphors for cycles ( including the belt that keeps changing hands)</p>
<p>&#8211;the relation between the three brothers and the three boys (brothers?) swept away when the raft overturns.</p>
<p>&#8211;the importance of the scene in which a series of train cars is shown as sequential (part of the same train) when each car and even the location visible from each window is different.</p>
<p>&#8211;the relation between the three brothers and the Hindu gods Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8211;maybe I <i>won&#8217;t</i> write about it, since I have said so much here! But it will be fun to talk about it with those of us who are interested in such things.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Scroggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy Scroggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still thinking about it. Daryl has been giving the film some serious thought, resulting in  insights that I think he should write in the form of a review or essay. His opinion of the film is growing (to the point that he told me yesterday he thinks it&#039;s brilliant). I&#039;m not so sure. I have this nagging sense that Anderson had the potential to make this into a truly profound film, but the subtleties and insights were reigned in in an effort to maintain commercial (and comic) appeal. I need to see it again. I want to be wrong.

&quot;Look at those assholes.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still thinking about it. Daryl has been giving the film some serious thought, resulting in  insights that I think he should write in the form of a review or essay. His opinion of the film is growing (to the point that he told me yesterday he thinks it&#8217;s brilliant). I&#8217;m not so sure. I have this nagging sense that Anderson had the potential to make this into a truly profound film, but the subtleties and insights were reigned in in an effort to maintain commercial (and comic) appeal. I need to see it again. I want to be wrong.</p>
<p>&#8220;Look at those assholes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Deron Bauman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deron Bauman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 04:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay, Daryl. We just got in from seeing it and I have to say that for at least the first third, if not the first 2/3rds I loved it.

almost perfect, in my estimation. I&#039;m still letting my sense of the last of it sink in.

Amy pointed out a few moments that added to my appreciation of the last third, but I echo your sentiments.

Wonderful performances.

&quot;Look at those assholes.&quot;



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay, Daryl. We just got in from seeing it and I have to say that for at least the first third, if not the first 2/3rds I loved it.</p>
<p>almost perfect, in my estimation. I&#8217;m still letting my sense of the last of it sink in.</p>
<p>Amy pointed out a few moments that added to my appreciation of the last third, but I echo your sentiments.</p>
<p>Wonderful performances.</p>
<p>&#8220;Look at those assholes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Deron Bauman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deron Bauman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 05:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay, kick ass.
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		<title>By: Daryl Scroggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daryl Scroggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope--it opened Friday here in Dallas. We saw it  at the Angelica.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope&#8211;it opened Friday here in Dallas. We saw it  at the Angelica.</p>
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		<title>By: Deron Bauman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deron Bauman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 02:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay, I&#039;m not going to read this yet, until I&#039;ve seen it, but I was under the impression it wasn&#039;t going to come out until the end of the month?
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