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	<title>Comments on: clusterflock open thread, 3</title>
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		<title>By: ashur</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2008/09/clusterflock-open-thread-3.html/comment-page-1#comment-247511</link>
		<dc:creator>ashur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 02:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the same NYT article,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Interviews show that Ms. Palin runs an administration that puts a premium on loyalty and secrecy. The governor and her top officials sometimes use personal e-mail accounts for state business; dozens of e-mail messages obtained by The New York Times show that her staff members studied whether that could allow them to circumvent subpoenas seeking public records.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is exactly &#8212; &lt;em&gt;exactly&lt;/em&gt; &#8212; the kind of horseshit politicking that keeps us wallowing in failure and regress today, the kind that hides behind snark and flag pins and lies-cum-bent truth.

I want to despair, that is the easy thing, to say my vote only counts once and exactly what else am I supposed to do in a world gone half-mad &lt;em&gt;but&lt;/em&gt; despair?

But the answer is just as easy: get off my own ass to get my neighbors off theirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the same NYT article,</p>
<blockquote><p>Interviews show that Ms. Palin runs an administration that puts a premium on loyalty and secrecy. The governor and her top officials sometimes use personal e-mail accounts for state business; dozens of e-mail messages obtained by The New York Times show that her staff members studied whether that could allow them to circumvent subpoenas seeking public records.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is exactly &mdash; <em>exactly</em> &mdash; the kind of horseshit politicking that keeps us wallowing in failure and regress today, the kind that hides behind snark and flag pins and lies-cum-bent truth.</p>
<p>I want to despair, that is the easy thing, to say my vote only counts once and exactly what else am I supposed to do in a world gone half-mad <em>but</em> despair?</p>
<p>But the answer is just as easy: get off my own ass to get my neighbors off theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2008/09/clusterflock-open-thread-3.html/comment-page-1#comment-247478</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watch out, all you Palin haters...

&lt;blockquote&gt;And four months ago, a Wasilla blogger, Sherry Whitstine, who chronicles the governor’s career with an astringent eye, answered her phone to hear an assistant to the governor on the line, she said.

“You should be ashamed!” Ivy Frye, the assistant, told her. “Stop blogging. Stop blogging right now!”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?hp=&amp;pagewanted=all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;today&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s New York Times.

We&#039;re all screwed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watch out, all you Palin haters&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>And four months ago, a Wasilla blogger, Sherry Whitstine, who chronicles the governor’s career with an astringent eye, answered her phone to hear an assistant to the governor on the line, she said.</p>
<p>“You should be ashamed!” Ivy Frye, the assistant, told her. “Stop blogging. Stop blogging right now!”</p></blockquote>
<p>From <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?hp=&amp;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">today</a>&#8216;s New York Times.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re all screwed!</p>
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		<title>By: Open Threads, Hurricane Ike and Clusterflock &#171; Foshowley</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2008/09/clusterflock-open-thread-3.html/comment-page-1#comment-247471</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Threads, Hurricane Ike and Clusterflock &#171; Foshowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Deron Bauman</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2008/09/clusterflock-open-thread-3.html/comment-page-1#comment-247401</link>
		<dc:creator>Deron Bauman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/216587.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;how will they lead&lt;/a&gt;:

It seems to me that the lying and exaggerating that has been done by the mccain campaign either from his lips or with his approval has a moral dimension that is not being discussed. No one is questioning McCains physical courage. But lying is an immoral act, one that you cannot get &quot;forced into&quot; by acts of others.
If there is a sustainable link between McCain, Palin, Bush and Cheney, it is their willingness to lie to get what they want. Bush and Cheney lied us into a war they wished to wage and they have been deceptive about many of their other policies. And the way an Administration runs takes its direction from the top. Is there really any doubt that if McCain and Palin are willing to lie about themselves and their opponents in an effort to get elected that they will continue to lie to the American public about there plans and policies.

Campaigns offer a direct view into how a candidate will run a large complex organization. McCains true colors,,,,,his true moral convictions....are being demonstrated for all of us to see. We have seen this ends based strategy before and we know it never turns out well for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/216587.php" rel="nofollow">how will they lead</a>:</p>
<p>It seems to me that the lying and exaggerating that has been done by the mccain campaign either from his lips or with his approval has a moral dimension that is not being discussed. No one is questioning McCains physical courage. But lying is an immoral act, one that you cannot get &#8220;forced into&#8221; by acts of others.<br />
If there is a sustainable link between McCain, Palin, Bush and Cheney, it is their willingness to lie to get what they want. Bush and Cheney lied us into a war they wished to wage and they have been deceptive about many of their other policies. And the way an Administration runs takes its direction from the top. Is there really any doubt that if McCain and Palin are willing to lie about themselves and their opponents in an effort to get elected that they will continue to lie to the American public about there plans and policies.</p>
<p>Campaigns offer a direct view into how a candidate will run a large complex organization. McCains true colors,,,,,his true moral convictions&#8230;.are being demonstrated for all of us to see. We have seen this ends based strategy before and we know it never turns out well for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Deron Bauman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deron Bauman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a picture is worth a thousand words: what the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.buzzfeed.com/chris/obama-mccains-tax-plans-to-scale?w=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;obama and mccain tax plans&lt;/a&gt; actually look like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a picture is worth a thousand words: what the <a href="http://www.buzzfeed.com/chris/obama-mccains-tax-plans-to-scale?w=1" rel="nofollow">obama and mccain tax plans</a> actually look like.</p>
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