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		<title>By: Dave Vogt</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/04/dear-clusterflock-226.html/comment-page-1#comment-443863</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Vogt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This question is hard to answer while being respectful to the privacy of one of my parents. Put in a general way, I have never feared either of my parents. I&#039;ve been afraid of how they would react to something I did, what they would think of me, or how I would be punished, but I have never feared my parents as my parents or as people.

I am buried in education debt, a fact for which I do not fault my mother. My father, yes, but that&#039;s another story. I financed my education through a combination of work study and loans. What I would like to do for my children is to make them think that they were entirely responsible for the cost of higher education, but at least as high as a bachelor&#039;s degree I&#039;d want to make sure they had no debt at the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This question is hard to answer while being respectful to the privacy of one of my parents. Put in a general way, I have never feared either of my parents. I&#8217;ve been afraid of how they would react to something I did, what they would think of me, or how I would be punished, but I have never feared my parents as my parents or as people.</p>
<p>I am buried in education debt, a fact for which I do not fault my mother. My father, yes, but that&#8217;s another story. I financed my education through a combination of work study and loans. What I would like to do for my children is to make them think that they were entirely responsible for the cost of higher education, but at least as high as a bachelor&#8217;s degree I&#8217;d want to make sure they had no debt at the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Farris</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/04/dear-clusterflock-226.html/comment-page-1#comment-443854</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Farris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, now I want to know what Marcia said...

Daryl - I&#039;m sure you are right... I have no way of knowing the logic employed in some of the decisions my parents made. I suspect some was necessity that I would not have understood or appreciated at the time.

I will say this though. My dad definitely favored my sister in many ways that I deemed unfair. Now, it is possible that my mom favored me and that was his way of trying to balance but she passed away when I was 15 and if that was indeed the case, the balance did not shift back to counter the loss of a parent. 

Trying to get back on track with the actual topic. I think my dad (only child)was denied very little. My mom, maybe more based on the attitudes a very catholic mother and a very selfish father. If I should have two or more children, I will try as hard as I can to make sure the scales are balanced between them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, now I want to know what Marcia said&#8230;</p>
<p>Daryl &#8211; I&#8217;m sure you are right&#8230; I have no way of knowing the logic employed in some of the decisions my parents made. I suspect some was necessity that I would not have understood or appreciated at the time.</p>
<p>I will say this though. My dad definitely favored my sister in many ways that I deemed unfair. Now, it is possible that my mom favored me and that was his way of trying to balance but she passed away when I was 15 and if that was indeed the case, the balance did not shift back to counter the loss of a parent. </p>
<p>Trying to get back on track with the actual topic. I think my dad (only child)was denied very little. My mom, maybe more based on the attitudes a very catholic mother and a very selfish father. If I should have two or more children, I will try as hard as I can to make sure the scales are balanced between them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Neece</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/04/dear-clusterflock-226.html/comment-page-1#comment-443808</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Neece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deron! I love your answer! Your parents must be fabulous! I can&#039;t wait to meet them.

I remember being denied nothing, except a pair of Beatle Boots just before sixth or seventh grade in late summer just before the start of school, when we were shopping for school clothes. My brother had wornout/outgrown his shoes. I had not. Mom and Dad were being practical, money was limited.  He got the Beatle Boots. I got to wear the shoes from the end of the year before.

Such a weird memory to have surface. I remember I cried. Looking back, I&#039;m ashamed. What did I know back then? Not nearly enough about having to choose. Not nearly enough about the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deron! I love your answer! Your parents must be fabulous! I can&#8217;t wait to meet them.</p>
<p>I remember being denied nothing, except a pair of Beatle Boots just before sixth or seventh grade in late summer just before the start of school, when we were shopping for school clothes. My brother had wornout/outgrown his shoes. I had not. Mom and Dad were being practical, money was limited.  He got the Beatle Boots. I got to wear the shoes from the end of the year before.</p>
<p>Such a weird memory to have surface. I remember I cried. Looking back, I&#8217;m ashamed. What did I know back then? Not nearly enough about having to choose. Not nearly enough about the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Deron Bauman</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/04/dear-clusterflock-226.html/comment-page-1#comment-443740</link>
		<dc:creator>Deron Bauman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How should one respond to these things? That is usually my primary question.

On the one hand, I recognize how the construction of the post might sound stilted to some.

On the other, I said it exactly as I intended.

On the one hand, sometimes it is useful to engage and respond.

On the other, it usually feels like the energy is wasted.

As to the question of the deletion, I have made it abundantly clear to Marcia that her comments are no longer welcome here, but since she continues to frequent, and respond to, a site which she deems beneath her, I would like to state, as clearly as I can, that I deleted at least a half dozen of her comments over the past few years because of meanness or condescension, comments that in no way were necessary or even accurate.

I allowed her that courtesy out of respect for her relationship with my family. I no longer feel that to be necessary. 

Anyway, I will allow this to stand as my response to this and future carelessness.

And, to answer my own question:

1. intellectual freedom.

2. sexual freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How should one respond to these things? That is usually my primary question.</p>
<p>On the one hand, I recognize how the construction of the post might sound stilted to some.</p>
<p>On the other, I said it exactly as I intended.</p>
<p>On the one hand, sometimes it is useful to engage and respond.</p>
<p>On the other, it usually feels like the energy is wasted.</p>
<p>As to the question of the deletion, I have made it abundantly clear to Marcia that her comments are no longer welcome here, but since she continues to frequent, and respond to, a site which she deems beneath her, I would like to state, as clearly as I can, that I deleted at least a half dozen of her comments over the past few years because of meanness or condescension, comments that in no way were necessary or even accurate.</p>
<p>I allowed her that courtesy out of respect for her relationship with my family. I no longer feel that to be necessary. </p>
<p>Anyway, I will allow this to stand as my response to this and future carelessness.</p>
<p>And, to answer my own question:</p>
<p>1. intellectual freedom.</p>
<p>2. sexual freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Daryl Scroggins</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/04/dear-clusterflock-226.html/comment-page-1#comment-443714</link>
		<dc:creator>Daryl Scroggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. Just an observation I have to make here: people who have grown children are likely to see these questions in much different ways. This is largely because so many kids think, for the &lt;i&gt;longest&lt;/i&gt; time, that it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;all about them.&lt;/i&gt; They don&#039;t really pause to think, for instance, about what mom and dad might have done with the time they spent saving for the kids&#039; college, staying up with them all night when they were sick, and so on--if that time and effort could have been applied to their own hopes for such things as further education, travel, good food, good books.... I think people really have to have a kid before they begin to understand what a thankless job it is--even though the parents are, in the end, to blame for being in such a position. My final point: kids will always cut themselves a Lot more slack than they will cut for thier parents, who are, after all, not really people at all: they are &lt;i&gt;just&lt;/i&gt; parents. If you don&#039;t believe me--just have kids. Lots of kids. And then write back to me in 25 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Just an observation I have to make here: people who have grown children are likely to see these questions in much different ways. This is largely because so many kids think, for the <i>longest</i> time, that it&#8217;s <i>all about them.</i> They don&#8217;t really pause to think, for instance, about what mom and dad might have done with the time they spent saving for the kids&#8217; college, staying up with them all night when they were sick, and so on&#8211;if that time and effort could have been applied to their own hopes for such things as further education, travel, good food, good books&#8230;. I think people really have to have a kid before they begin to understand what a thankless job it is&#8211;even though the parents are, in the end, to blame for being in such a position. My final point: kids will always cut themselves a Lot more slack than they will cut for thier parents, who are, after all, not really people at all: they are <i>just</i> parents. If you don&#8217;t believe me&#8211;just have kids. Lots of kids. And then write back to me in 25 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy Foley</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/04/dear-clusterflock-226.html/comment-page-1#comment-443707</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy Foley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was also going to explain patiently to Marcia that we&#039;re a community here, that we&#039;re cranky, and that she can just fuck off to perfectly constructed sentence land and find people there to play with. But then you just deleted the comment instead, saving me the bother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was also going to explain patiently to Marcia that we&#8217;re a community here, that we&#8217;re cranky, and that she can just fuck off to perfectly constructed sentence land and find people there to play with. But then you just deleted the comment instead, saving me the bother.</p>
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		<title>By: Daryl Scroggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daryl Scroggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Bob dropped in without really looking around or pausing to offer an actual response, allow me to provide one for him:

Question one: respect.

Question two: the opportunity to use the slap as a means of communication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Bob dropped in without really looking around or pausing to offer an actual response, allow me to provide one for him:</p>
<p>Question one: respect.</p>
<p>Question two: the opportunity to use the slap as a means of communication.</p>
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		<title>By: dear clusterflock : clusterflock</title>
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		<dc:creator>dear clusterflock : clusterflock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is a pretty good conversation, but it was seem to me that this one would be more fun: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is a pretty good conversation, but it was seem to me that this one would be more fun: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Neece</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/04/dear-clusterflock-226.html/comment-page-1#comment-443575</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Neece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deron&#039;s sentence is perfectly clear to me. What isn&#039;t actually clear to me is whether bobfromencino is making an attempt to insult Deron or Deron&#039;s parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deron&#8217;s sentence is perfectly clear to me. What isn&#8217;t actually clear to me is whether bobfromencino is making an attempt to insult Deron or Deron&#8217;s parents.</p>
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		<title>By: bobfromencino</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/04/dear-clusterflock-226.html/comment-page-1#comment-443534</link>
		<dc:creator>bobfromencino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What that your parents were denied did they make sure you were not?&quot;

The ability to write a clear sentence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What that your parents were denied did they make sure you were not?&#8221;</p>
<p>The ability to write a clear sentence?</p>
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