April 28, 2009

Dear Clusterflock

Do you turn your head to see the carnage of an accident? That is… if you were given the choice to witness a display of death, would you? Why?

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  1. Kelsey Parker on April 28th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    The question occurred to me as I found myself clicking the warning on The Big Picture‘s objectionable content — by which they mean, photos depicting death. Why do I look?

  2. Dave Vogt on April 28th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    I make a point of not if I’m driving, because slowing up traffic doesn’t help what is a potentially improvable situation.

    I guess there is a certain degree of fascination, at least for me, with human maladies and injuries. Seeing people open, voluntarily or otherwise, is a peek at how they tick or how they aren’t. The same applies to the couple of times that I’ve been under the knife. I love to watch. I just can’t deal with watching a needle go in to me is all.

  3. Mike Dresser on April 28th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Yesterday a friend and I took a walk in Greenpoint (Mary Jeys’ neighborhood) and came across the scene of a hit and run. We looked across the police tape with some interest until we saw a woman’s purse in the middle of the street, the contents spread out over 15 feet. At that point we decided to forgo our previous route and use a side street. Too heartbreaking.

  4. Deron Bauman on April 28th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    this is actually a pet peeve of mine, when people slow down to gawk. I have no problem with someone wanting to see the carnage. I have a problem with the reflexive nature of it. move along, folks.

  5. Andrew Simone on April 28th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    I don’t seek it out, but if it is within eyeshot I do tend to look. It is curiosity partly, but mostly it is to remind myself.

  6. Kelsey Parker on April 28th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    I sometimes wonder if my suburban upbringing brought with it a sterilized sense of humanity — of biology. Everything is so packaged and branded these days, I really have to go out of my way to exist in the world of what came before it.* So maybe I look for examples of mortality to more easily remember that we’re all fated to a messy, anonymous death. Is that what you meant by “to remind myself,” Andrew?

    *Less so in San Francisco than New York, but still.

  7. Rick Neece on April 28th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    I’m not inclined to gawk. “Rick, move along, there’s nothing here for you to see,” seems to be the voice I hear in such situations. I remember a time when my second ex-wife and I topped a hill before an interchange in Springfield, Missouri, headed into town and came upon a terrible accident involving semis and a compact. The accident was just beyond the ramp we needed to take to continue on our way. It must have just happened, as folks in the emergency vehicles seemed to be just getting started with attending. I did not slow down, gawk. I took my ramp. Joni was looking, though and she burst into hard, inconsolable tears as we passed. I didn’t ask then, but to this day I wonder what she might have seen that day that might have triggered her response.

  8. Andrew Simone on April 29th, 2009 at 8:28 am

    That is largely what I mean, Kelsey.

  9. Cindy Scroggins on April 29th, 2009 at 9:46 am

    I am not squeamish and am not disturbed by the sight of blood or mangled flesh. I am troubled by the suffering that accompanies the carnage.

    I don’t gawk at car accidents because I don’t want to make a bad situation worse.

    If I come across a dead animal while walking, I will stop and look closely. I will linger for a long time over a dead bird.

  10. Daryl Scroggins on April 29th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    I glance and then–don’t; it’s like a little delay in the mechanism that registers shame in my inquisitiveness. One thing I do like to scope out in such situations, though, is any evidence of perfunctory job performance. The cop yawning as he waves cars around, and the wrecker driver laughing on the phone….

  11. Phil Bebbington on April 29th, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    I guess it is human nature to take a peek! I certainly don’t linger, but, then I spent many years first on the scene of such carnage – oddly the dead are the least trouble and least stressful aspect of such occasions. Blood and guts are just, well, blood and guts. Dealing with a family by the roadside whose husband and father has just had half his head removed by a truck is however not nice.

  12. Sheila Ryan on April 29th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Yes, surely it is the living who prompt us to sorrow and pity. I’ve gazed upon the dead and born witness to the dying (though not anything like the extent you have, Phil), but only in the face of those who must endure pain for time unspooling have I felt myself in the presence of something almost unendurable.

  13. Rick Neece on April 29th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    …only in the face of those who must endure pain for time unspooling have I felt myself in the presence of something almost unendurable.

    How those words ring in me this evening. I do not say this to create sensation among those who might see this comment, but merely as a statement of fact. My brother, a year-and-a-half my junior, has been diagnosed with inoperable liver cancer. I don’t yet know what I will do in support of him, of my immediate family. Danny is in “high-action” mode. Figuring out “where to go, what to do next.” Plans for the next few days and weeks will likely change.

  14. Kelsey Parker on April 29th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    Oh Rick, my most sincere condolences. I hope we can weather this with you, as a buttress of support during your time of need.

  15. Rick Neece on April 29th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Thank you Kelsey. I just realized I made a comedic comment on a post in the wake of this comment. I tend to run to comedy when I don’t know how to really respond to my immediate world. I’m going to shut down for the night and try to let things sink in. I so appreciate your thoughts and support.

  16. Sheila Ryan on April 29th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    Temporary shut-down is sometimes the thing, Ricky Cameron. I love you all up, and I’ll be here when you wake. We’ll be here.

  17. Deron Bauman on April 29th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    all my love to you, Rick.

  18. Cindy Scroggins on April 29th, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    My thanks to Phil and Sheila for their appreciation of the vastness of this question.

    Rick, you dear, dear man–you have my undying love.

    When I was 15, I found a dead man beside the road on Christmas Eve. He was the victim of a hit and run. It was 1973, and I was sick with the flu. I asked my father to take me and two neighbor friends for a ride to see the luminarias commonly displayed in El Paso. I was wearing fluffy pink house shoes. While the rest of the car’s inhabitants looked at a yard resplendent with glowing lights, I was looking at the other side of the street–at the bars, the dirt sidewalks, the old adobe buildings, and, finally, at the man lying face down in the dirt beside the road. I screamed at my father to stop the car. He stopped (I have always had a certain authority in my voice), but he didn’t want any of us to get out of the car, lest we be “involved.” Of course, I got out anyway, only to hear the click of the car’s door locks–the work of my 18-year-old friend, Bud, believing the entire thing to be some kind of ploy to rob us all. I went to the man and saw that his shoes had been knocked off of him–they lay about 20 feet ahead. His skin had goose bumps. I immediately turned him over, remembing all I’d learned about CPR and resuscitation techniques. Finally, other cars stopped, and the police arrived, and my father–guilty from having told so many lies in his life–apparently gave the police an odd story that they questioned. They didn’t speak to me–I was too busy trying to bring the man back, trying to make sense of the whole thing, trying to understand how someone could die on the side of the road in his white socks on Christmas Eve. I read in the newspaper a couple of days later that he was the father of 10 children. And several days after that–just after having had all four of my wisdom teeth pulled–I heard on the radio that the police were seeking the young woman at the scene of the accident for questioning. I couldn’t speak (my cheeks were swollen three-times their normal size), so I wrote my mother a note telling her what I had heard on the radio. My father contacted the police and went to the station, where he spent over 6 hours answering questions. My father never understood the value of honesty, of truth. He thought the fact that we had stopped made us look guilty somehow. Had I been able to speak to the police, I would surely have been able to put the situation to rest. But I do not know what ultimately happened with my father in his questioning–he never spoke of it again. That was common in my childhood–I never knew the details, the larger issues, the truth.

    I cannot tell you how often I have thought of that man, newly dead, still covered in goosebumps beside the road. His shoes had been knocked off by the blow.

  19. Sheila Ryan on April 29th, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    Cindy. I will love you forever for having lived that and for having told it. Compa~nera.

  20. India on April 29th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    I’m one of those hard, inconsolable weepers, so, no, I don’t look.

    I also try to to think for more than a few seconds about things like what Mike and Rick and Cindy said up there, because, look, here I go . . .

    Rick. Honey.

  21. Cooper Renner on April 29th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    All of our best, Rick.

  22. Elizabeth Perry on April 29th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    Oh, Rick.

  23. Rick Neece on April 30th, 2009 at 4:46 am

    I woke up at 3:30 this morning still trying to make sense of the news. It isn’t real yet. Thank you all, I am buoyed by your words of love and support.

  24. Michael Smith on April 30th, 2009 at 6:30 am

    Rick, if my arms could reach, I’d give you a hug.

  25. Lucy Foley on April 30th, 2009 at 7:26 am

    Our thoughts are with you, Rick. God bless.

  26. Andrew Simone on April 30th, 2009 at 9:31 am

    I am terribly sorry to hear that, Rick.

  27. Sheila Ryan on April 30th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    I think we all want to hug you, Rick.

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