May 12, 2009

Dear Clusterflock

Isn’t it amazing that we don’t have any fur? We actually evolved to lose our fur! Most of the other mammals walking around on land have fur or hair or fleece. We have lost ours! Isn’t that remarkable?

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  1. Deron Bauman on May 12th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    apparently you haven’t seen my butt.

  2. Lucy Foley on May 12th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    No but by the wonder of the internet, I have pretty much seen all of the rest of you, D.

  3. Deron Bauman on May 12th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    all will be revealed.

  4. Jonathan McNicol on May 12th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    apparently you haven’t seen my butt.

    Dammit. If you CFers could stop stealing my thoughts today, that’d be great (my thoughts having been about my own butt, thank you very much).

  5. Deron Bauman on May 12th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    or is that reviled?

  6. Lucy Foley on May 12th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    Hmm, you make a very fair point. I have been ruminating and I am willing to concede your point without the photographic evidence.

  7. Lucy Foley on May 12th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    If anyone else would like to talk about the wonder of evolution, please consider this a safe space. I know a lot of you are living in Texas.

  8. Sheila Ryan on May 12th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Lucy, are you thinking we are related to such creatures as Chihuahuas and those Chinese crested dogs?

  9. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    Well there are also those really weirdy weirdy bald naked cats with unpleasant features. But I was really just looking at Tar today, and thinking about how he is good to go in most weathers, with his handy fur. And how it was a very sensible thing, and it just made an awful lot of sense that animals had fur to keep them warm, mostly. And how we were the only creatures, apart from those weirdy cats and stuff, to not have fur, and how very very strange that is. That we had to invent clothes!

  10. Phil Bebbington on May 12th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    I’m not a lover of body hair so am kinda glad I don’t have any. Well, not much.

    I seemed to spend a lot of my formative years wishing I could grow a beard or have a hairy chest. I have neither, well, you know patchy growth that frankly isn’t that attractive! So, I have rebelled against it and want no body hair. Mmmm I quite like my hairy legs, will it look silly if I just have hairy legs, well, and thew hair on my head – I have managed to keep all of that. 51 and it all still grows.

    Now I have confused myself. Okay, if I can’t have a full growth of beard I shall hate the little I have – shaving is a pain in the ass, I hate it!

    Okay, I’m taking questions now.

  11. Cindy Scroggins on May 12th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    What about the other “hairless” mammals? Whales and dolphins? Pigs and elephants? They have even less hair than humans yet seem perfectly fine in their environments. I think clothing is the crazy thing about humans, not our relative lack of hair.

    That said, I think I’d like to be completely hairless. Also, I love clothes, so don’t use my words above to start in on any nudist shit.

  12. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    Ok but whales and dolphins are in water, where hair would be, literally, a drag. Pigs have a little hair, it is just very fine. And elephants have really thick skin. I just cannot believe nature left us so vulnerable. It is plain weird.

  13. Phil Bebbington on May 12th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    I’m with you, Cindy, none of that nudist shit. I worked with one, why are they all old men? Why did he delight in bringing his ‘holiday snaps’ in to show the girls, but, not to show me.

    I know I’m generalising, it’s what I do best, but, I don’t want to play table tennis or smoke a pipe whilst naked!

    Hairless would be sweet though!

  14. Cindy Scroggins on May 12th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    Deron has more hair than a pig.

  15. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    Phil: do you shave your chest? I may regret asking this question.

  16. Phil Bebbington on May 12th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Even I have more hair than a pig, but, as we are going to kill ‘em, skin ‘em and eat ‘em – piggie hair issues are not important.

    Now, goats, they are hairy and damn cute with an evil smile.

    They taste good too, but we don’t eat them unless it is a celebration.

  17. Cindy Scroggins on May 12th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    I don’t think nature left us vulnerable. I suspect that we have relatively little hair because we invented clothing. It also has something to do with Adam and Eve, I think.

  18. Jonathan McNicol on May 12th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    Umm. Pigs are damn cute too.

  19. Cindy Scroggins on May 12th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    My first husband shaved his underarms. That was weird.

  20. Phil Bebbington on May 12th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Yes Cindy – I think as God made himself scarce at some stage – we took on the role of masters of the universe and so, we don’t need hair because we need to move fast and be in charge. Well, that was what some drunk guy told me the other night.

  21. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Deron appears to have more hair than most orangutans. The only question that remains is: is he as handy around the house?

  22. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    Shaved his armpits? That IS weird.

  23. Cindy Scroggins on May 12th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    I want to live with that ape. So sad and lovely.

  24. Phil Bebbington on May 12th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    I like to keep what hair I have trimmed – I’m always afraid if it gets too bushy I’ll find stuff in there – -best keep it short so you can see what is going on.

  25. Cindy Scroggins on May 12th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    Yeah, it gets hot in Texas, and men do tend to get pretty hairy in the pits, so I understood it from a comfort level–but, still, it was weird. Evolutionarily-speaking, though, I wonder why humans have so much armpit hair Is it to cool the body through sweat collection?

  26. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    Ok but you made a very provocative and interesting point there, when you suggested that nature quit her work with our body hair when we invented clothing. This is very very interesting. I mean, which came first? And why did we invent clothing in the first place? Did status creep in at that early stage? To mark out specific tribal groups? And then somebody discovered the cosiness of fleecey jumpsuits?

  27. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    I think it’s all about sex, Cindy. Armpit hair reminds us of that other special place where we have hair (if we’re not Deron, and don’t have it growing everywhere, that is).

  28. Sheila Ryan on May 12th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Phil, I like the drunk guy’s theory. Move fast and be in charge. That’s what I’d have gone for soon as the Almighty ducked out of it.

  29. Sheila Ryan on May 12th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    I mean, what else have we got besides moving fast and being in charge?

  30. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    I don’t think I could sleep with a man who shaved his armpits. I am glad you two divorced.

  31. Cindy Scroggins on May 12th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    I think humans invented clothing to keep warm in winter, and it just took off from there. This is probably something we could verify rather easily, but why do that when we can just discuss it here and figure everything out ourselves? If we keep at it, we might discover that the world is round, like an orange.

  32. Cindy Scroggins on May 12th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    Oh, yes, we had to divorce. Thank you for your understanding.

  33. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    Totally.

  34. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    Cindy, you are definitely the scientist amongst us. We ought to be suspicious of you. Forward thinker.

  35. Cindy Scroggins on May 12th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Let’s ask Phil. Phil, do you shave your armpits?

  36. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    Phil, do you shave your armpits?

  37. Cindy Scroggins on May 12th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    Galileo would have died eventually, anyway.

  38. Phil Bebbington on May 12th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    I don’t shave in the sense of SMOOTH but I hate that bushy thing going on so I keep it cut back – damn, you girls know more than my wife!

  39. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    Right.

  40. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    Um, I was responding to Cindy’s Galileo comment there. Let’s see. So you trim, Phil? What do we think of that, Cindy?

  41. Cindy Scroggins on May 12th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    Oh, thank you, Phil. Perhaps your wife isn’t interested in the scientific details, but Lucy and I often collaborate on grant projects and need to know these things. We won’t use your name in our papers.

  42. Cindy Scroggins on May 12th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Lucy, I think all kinds of things, but we mustn’t let on to Phil, who might think we’re drawing conclusions about him and will, in response, hold back on such questions in the future. Shhhh.

  43. Phil Bebbington on May 12th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Cindy, please feel free to use it. Phil isn’t my real name anyway.

  44. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Well, we might ask for some trimmed armpit hair, though, Phil.

  45. Cooper Renner on May 12th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    And in fact Galileo did die anyway. Hairy and with very few intellectual equals.

  46. Phil Bebbington on May 12th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    I can supply that – it is the only place it grows – that figures, what with it being armpit hair! You know what I mean.

  47. Cindy Scroggins on May 12th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    Yes, some trimmed armpit hair, please, “Phil.”

  48. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    We might like to use your armpit hair in our future grant applications, Phil. We might also like to take pictures of you trimming, for verification purposes, you understand. If they find their way to clusterflock, goddammit it was some kind of a leak. Some mole. We can’t keep the organisation totally sealed, Phil.

  49. Cindy Scroggins on May 12th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    Cooper, do you know armpit hair stops growing at a particular length? I’ll bet Galileo knew.

  50. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    Hairy and with very few intellectual equals.

    Dude must have been lonely.

  51. Sheila Ryan on May 12th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    We will all turn to mulch, hairy or not, intellectual equals or no.

    Insight courtesy of me about age nine.

  52. Cindy Scroggins on May 12th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    I must leave now. If you discover anything important, please save it for me.

  53. range on May 12th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    I saw something about this on the BBC. The reason why we have no fur is that we walk upright and have developed an incredible way of cooling our bodies: sweat glands. No other animal has sweat glands that are as developed as ours. The main part of our body that is exposed to the sun remains hairy: our heads.

    Pubic hairs serve a function as well, mainly for pheromones.

  54. Aaron Winslow on May 12th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    I shave my armpits, you close-minded motherfrankers! You know you like it!

  55. Sheila Ryan on May 12th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    My sweat glands are highly developed.

    And I will be pleased to trim my armpit hair in the interest of research.

  56. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    Excellent, range. Just as our resident Scientist, Cindy Scroggins, left the building, along you came. Welcome. So this is very useful and plausible information, except that what about all the places where there is cold weather? Wouldn’t it have stood to reason according to that theory that the people in the cold places would thus have kept their hair?

    Pheromones, yes. Sex, sex, it’s all about sex. Nature is really really filthy.

  57. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    Oh that is probably the most entertaining occasion I have been called ‘closed minded’. Thank you so much for that, Aaron. Thank you.

  58. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    Sheila, or is it, “Sheila”? We will put your name in our next grant application, and very possibly make a fleur de lys decorative border all around the document, made of your trimmed armpit hair. We will contact you shortly about this, “Sheila”.

  59. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    I’m serious. Why do people in cold places not still have fur?

  60. Daryl Scroggins on May 12th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Okay but Cindy does not sweat. Except on her upper lip in rare cases. Maybe that’s why she doesn’t really go outside except to get to the car….

    Also, I wonder if this means that men with the pattern baldness gene are more highly evolved?

  61. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    See now we’re getting really scientific.

    I apologise to anybody who is allergic to italics, for my recent comments.

  62. Daryl Scroggins on May 12th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    Trickster god: “Let’s strip them down, make them think it’s getting real warm–then hit ‘em with another ice age!”

  63. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    I see evidence of your trickster god in my backyard.

  64. Aaron Winslow on May 12th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    I read a theory awhile ago that suggested that fur makes animals more susceptible to parasites and thus a less hairy mate would appear more desirable in terms of producing offspring who wouldn’t be overrun with bugs and the like.

  65. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    Ah, so that’s why you shave your pits! That is sweet. I feel like I understand you better now, Aaron.

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  67. Phil Bebbington on May 12th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    I had to go and cook and now I am so far behind I have no idea where to start!

    Did someone want to film me trimming hair? I’d like to stress, it is trimming and not shaving – trimming, just trimming..

    I have never waxed.

  68. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    Ok cool. If you can film yourself trimming that would be very good. Deron will come and film you. He has a fucking amazing camera. He will get close ups and it will look like a mac ad by the time he is done with it. Cindy and I will study the footage, carefully. Then we will think about our next move.

    Ok so what you can do in the meantime, is just keep on growing, Phil. Keep that armpit hair good and long, until we get the camera squad together.

  69. Phil Bebbington on May 12th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    Lucy, as of this moment I have ceased to shave. I’ll just wait – I know with confidence I can do that.

  70. Cooper Renner on May 12th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    Could Phil’s armpit hair be dreadlocked?

  71. Cooper Renner on May 12th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    And in answer to Cindy’s question, certainly my armpit hair gets a certain length, then stops. As does leg hair, my arm hair. . . . My head hair gets to a certain length, then I get out the shears.

  72. Sheila Ryan on May 12th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    “Phil” must cease trimming his armpit hair if he is to go all Rasta on us.

  73. Phil Bebbington on May 12th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    I don’t think my armpit hair will get that long. I’m not an expert, it’s just an inkling.

  74. Lucy on May 12th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    That will make an excellent documentary.

  75. Sheila Ryan on May 12th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    The shearing of “Cooper”?

  76. Kathy Hilen-Smith on May 12th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    I want to see Deron’s furry butt.

  77. Cindy Scroggins on May 12th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    Kathy Hilen-Smith! How I’ve missed you! I have it on good authority that Deron’s furry butt will be on display at clusterflockstock. We will, of course, document the experiment, but if you want to experience Science as it is meant to be experienced, you will drive to Texas next week and observe the furry butt in its natural habitat.

  78. Kathy Hilen-Smith on May 12th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    …timing, timing, timing. Our own hairy monkey-love-child graduates from high school and we must pay him his propers.

    I really want to see that butt. Send me a picture, will you?

  79. Sheila Ryan on May 12th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    Kathy, would you like a photo of my smooth butt as well?

  80. Michael Grant Smith on May 12th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Kathy Hilen-Smith, I’ll show you my butt but you’ll have to pay me one US dollar.

  81. Michael Smith on May 12th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    This is how they write entries for Wikipedia.

    Also, for the record, I’ll go out on a limb and say my butt has at least as much fur as Deron’s.

  82. Sheila Ryan on May 12th, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    One US dollar, MGS? I dunno. Maybe you might try for five. See if she bites. So to speak.

  83. Sheila Ryan on May 12th, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    MichaelSmith: Furry butt out on a limb. Arboreal primate.

  84. Phil Bebbington on May 13th, 2009 at 1:00 am

    I have no hair on my butt, but, I’m prepared to pay a dollar if anyone will look – well, perhaps 86 UK pees

  85. Michael Smith on May 13th, 2009 at 6:29 am

    My theory of furless evolution:

    Did you see that girl?

    Which one?

    The one with no fur from her waist up. Smokin’.

    Dude, we used to mate.

    Really? I’m hella jealous.

    Her skin, that’s what she calls the baldness, is warm and smooth. Just thinking about it.

    Why’d you guys break up?

    I don’t want to talk about it.

    It was that silverback, wasn’t it?

    I don’t want to talk about it.

    Anyway, I was just saying I could stare at that…what did you call it, skin?

    Skin.

    I could stare at that skin all day long.

    That’s nothing, her cousin lives just down the river and she’s got no fur at all.

    None?

    Well, she has some on her head, but her body is furless. She shows so much skin she wears a piece of hide around her waist to cover her…uh…you know.

    Really? What’s her name?

    Eve.

  86. Lucy on May 13th, 2009 at 6:35 am

    Cometh the dear clusterflock, cometh the Michael Smith. Science!

  87. Sheila Ryan on May 13th, 2009 at 7:56 am

    Phil, is that offer retroactive? Does it apply to the many who have seen images of your bare behind on your website?

  88. Phil Bebbington on May 13th, 2009 at 8:00 am

    Sheila, I guess my hairless ass is there shining for all to see!

    I would like to add though, I had not applied oil – my body either has a natural sheen or I was sweating with embarrassment. I’m really not sure which.

  89. Cindy Scroggins on May 13th, 2009 at 8:10 am

    Thank you, Lucy, for bringing us back to Science. This group has a tendency to wander off sometimes.

    Phil, you are very shiny. Have you noticed whether raccoons eye you with great longing?

  90. Phil Bebbington on May 13th, 2009 at 8:12 am

    Cindy, luckily raccoons are not a problem here and it was a tad chilly when I was in the states to be stumbling down stairs nekid!

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