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	<title>Comments on: Michael Jackson Meant Nothing to Me</title>
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		<title>By: Lucy Foley</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/06/michael-jackson-meant-nothing-to-me.html/comment-page-1#comment-518484</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy Foley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well of course people are still upset; he&#039;s only dead a couple of days. But the coverage is more about the salaciousness of the story and his iconography than anything to do with the quality of his music. We live in that kind of culture. That&#039;s how it is. But to be honest, the story has really slipped off the British and Irish front pages now, it&#039;s much lower in priority until the next big thing, probably the funeral, or autopsy reports. 

The Iran story is interesting, because it is not a popular revolution, but it is highly publicised because they are &#039;on our side&#039;, and they are the educated and the progressive aspects of Iranian culture. But it doesn&#039;t seem to have taken off. It&#039;s still very much in the news, there just isn&#039;t that much to say at this point. It sounds like the first step toward something, toward a vocalisation of difference rather than any kind of overthrow. And for Iran or any country, living with that kind of dissonance in society, and dealing with it, is an ongoing process. The way that news arcs go is that there is an urge for an &#039;end&#039; or resolution to the story, which is just not going to happen here, so it&#039;s likely to peter out, naturally, and submerge back into the noise of world news, to be listened for by those who care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well of course people are still upset; he&#8217;s only dead a couple of days. But the coverage is more about the salaciousness of the story and his iconography than anything to do with the quality of his music. We live in that kind of culture. That&#8217;s how it is. But to be honest, the story has really slipped off the British and Irish front pages now, it&#8217;s much lower in priority until the next big thing, probably the funeral, or autopsy reports. </p>
<p>The Iran story is interesting, because it is not a popular revolution, but it is highly publicised because they are &#8216;on our side&#8217;, and they are the educated and the progressive aspects of Iranian culture. But it doesn&#8217;t seem to have taken off. It&#8217;s still very much in the news, there just isn&#8217;t that much to say at this point. It sounds like the first step toward something, toward a vocalisation of difference rather than any kind of overthrow. And for Iran or any country, living with that kind of dissonance in society, and dealing with it, is an ongoing process. The way that news arcs go is that there is an urge for an &#8216;end&#8217; or resolution to the story, which is just not going to happen here, so it&#8217;s likely to peter out, naturally, and submerge back into the noise of world news, to be listened for by those who care.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Scroggins</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/06/michael-jackson-meant-nothing-to-me.html/comment-page-1#comment-518384</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy Scroggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think any of us needs to feel defensive about our views of Michael Jackson.  Some of us loved him, some of us didn&#039;t.   I loved to watch him dance and loved the pureness of his voice, but I didn&#039;t love his music.   I think it&#039;s sad that he died so young; I think it&#039;s sad that the public objectifies celebrities; I think it&#039;s sad that he was obviously fucked up and in a lot of pain. But I&#039;d much prefer to see some news coverage of Iran rather than the endless coverage of the fact that Michael Jackson is still dead and people are still upset about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think any of us needs to feel defensive about our views of Michael Jackson.  Some of us loved him, some of us didn&#8217;t.   I loved to watch him dance and loved the pureness of his voice, but I didn&#8217;t love his music.   I think it&#8217;s sad that he died so young; I think it&#8217;s sad that the public objectifies celebrities; I think it&#8217;s sad that he was obviously fucked up and in a lot of pain. But I&#8217;d much prefer to see some news coverage of Iran rather than the endless coverage of the fact that Michael Jackson is still dead and people are still upset about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/06/michael-jackson-meant-nothing-to-me.html/comment-page-1#comment-518276</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No I don&#039;t think anyone thinks you are a MJ hater at all. If anything, you have provided the currently only place on Clusterflock to talk about him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I don&#8217;t think anyone thinks you are a MJ hater at all. If anything, you have provided the currently only place on Clusterflock to talk about him.</p>
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		<title>By: TheMommason</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/06/michael-jackson-meant-nothing-to-me.html/comment-page-1#comment-518171</link>
		<dc:creator>TheMommason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was more bummed to hear Ed McMahon died.  But that too was a &quot;Oh Ed McMahon that sucks&quot;.  And off to continue the rest of my life.

Some of the grief &quot;news&quot; is the desire to be &quot;seen&quot; making a gesture of grief because they believe it is expected.  It&#039;s like the old ladies that you would hear about that just spend thier days going to funerals crying even if they don&#039;t know the person.

Grief of a death allows us an &quot;approved&quot; way to cry and beat our chests in public.  The thing they are could really be grieving is the loss of thier youths.  The loss of dreams or even the fear that when they die no one will grieve.

I do find sadness in Hunter S. Thompson&#039;s death.  I was sad that he would do something that hurt his family and friends so incredibly deeply is sad and  the loss to the world of more of his view on life.  

You should not have to applogize or feel bad for not really having his death be a blip on your emotions.  And we should not judge those that are rageing in grief if it is what they need to do they aren&#039;t hurting anyone so let them cry, lord knows with everything going on in this world right now they very likely are crying out some other things they have needed to cry out.

PS. Wonder how many calls E got lastnight since the Chelsey Lately was taped earlier in the week and they were cracking on the news that had come out earlier in the week about Lou Ferigno was going to be training MJ for his tour.  Sorry But it was funny and those that were freaked out by it being aired lastnight need to think about how hard they would have been laughing had MJ not died.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was more bummed to hear Ed McMahon died.  But that too was a &#8220;Oh Ed McMahon that sucks&#8221;.  And off to continue the rest of my life.</p>
<p>Some of the grief &#8220;news&#8221; is the desire to be &#8220;seen&#8221; making a gesture of grief because they believe it is expected.  It&#8217;s like the old ladies that you would hear about that just spend thier days going to funerals crying even if they don&#8217;t know the person.</p>
<p>Grief of a death allows us an &#8220;approved&#8221; way to cry and beat our chests in public.  The thing they are could really be grieving is the loss of thier youths.  The loss of dreams or even the fear that when they die no one will grieve.</p>
<p>I do find sadness in Hunter S. Thompson&#8217;s death.  I was sad that he would do something that hurt his family and friends so incredibly deeply is sad and  the loss to the world of more of his view on life.  </p>
<p>You should not have to applogize or feel bad for not really having his death be a blip on your emotions.  And we should not judge those that are rageing in grief if it is what they need to do they aren&#8217;t hurting anyone so let them cry, lord knows with everything going on in this world right now they very likely are crying out some other things they have needed to cry out.</p>
<p>PS. Wonder how many calls E got lastnight since the Chelsey Lately was taped earlier in the week and they were cracking on the news that had come out earlier in the week about Lou Ferigno was going to be training MJ for his tour.  Sorry But it was funny and those that were freaked out by it being aired lastnight need to think about how hard they would have been laughing had MJ not died.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheila Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commencing to feel like the resident MJ-hater, and that&#039;s not it at all.

Trying to figure out what it is I am trying to tell y&#039;all.

Watch this space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commencing to feel like the resident MJ-hater, and that&#8217;s not it at all.</p>
<p>Trying to figure out what it is I am trying to tell y&#8217;all.</p>
<p>Watch this space.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Jeys</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/06/michael-jackson-meant-nothing-to-me.html/comment-page-1#comment-517691</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Jeys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;None of us will live to see if he stands “the test of time.”&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
Rick, for me, he IS the test of time. No other artist in my lifetime achieved such dominating success for so long. I won&#039;t be around in 100 years to see how history judges him. And honestly, I don&#039;t care how subsequent generations judge him- he was my pop hero, and not everyone has to love him. 

Another thing I&#039;ve been wondering: did Elvis fans have to justify their mourning the way Michael Jackson fans seem to? I think Elvis had a fantastic fall from grace, but it seems like the pernicious mean-spirited tabloids were really at their worst with Michael. Maybe this has something to do with why my mourning is sprinkled with weird apology.

Also, as an unashamed and professional-amateur rug-cutter, I still know Michael Jackson as every DJ&#039;s A-game. It&#039;s played when the precise critical mass has hit the floor, and everyone is given permission to just go crazy. Whether you own the record, or are indifferent, if you like to dance, you know that moment. The moment when dance floor catharsis is experienced en masse. It&#039;s a beautiful moment, everyone in the room seems to sing with energy. Right now, that&#039;s going on non-stop all over my city, and I kind of love it. I can literally dance in the streets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>None of us will live to see if he stands “the test of time.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Rick, for me, he IS the test of time. No other artist in my lifetime achieved such dominating success for so long. I won&#8217;t be around in 100 years to see how history judges him. And honestly, I don&#8217;t care how subsequent generations judge him- he was my pop hero, and not everyone has to love him. </p>
<p>Another thing I&#8217;ve been wondering: did Elvis fans have to justify their mourning the way Michael Jackson fans seem to? I think Elvis had a fantastic fall from grace, but it seems like the pernicious mean-spirited tabloids were really at their worst with Michael. Maybe this has something to do with why my mourning is sprinkled with weird apology.</p>
<p>Also, as an unashamed and professional-amateur rug-cutter, I still know Michael Jackson as every DJ&#8217;s A-game. It&#8217;s played when the precise critical mass has hit the floor, and everyone is given permission to just go crazy. Whether you own the record, or are indifferent, if you like to dance, you know that moment. The moment when dance floor catharsis is experienced en masse. It&#8217;s a beautiful moment, everyone in the room seems to sing with energy. Right now, that&#8217;s going on non-stop all over my city, and I kind of love it. I can literally dance in the streets.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But a person&#039;s value is not about whether they&#039;ll be remembered or not. Maybe everyone will be a doofus in a hundred years time, or maybe everyone will be shot up on demerol. I listen to MJ&#039;s golden period and that stuff is fucking groovy like the motherfuck. Its fucking bone marrow is made of grooviness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But a person&#8217;s value is not about whether they&#8217;ll be remembered or not. Maybe everyone will be a doofus in a hundred years time, or maybe everyone will be shot up on demerol. I listen to MJ&#8217;s golden period and that stuff is fucking groovy like the motherfuck. Its fucking bone marrow is made of grooviness.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Neece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Neece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend, in conversation tonight said something like. &quot;But he was known as no other has been. He was known in Nigeria for Christ&#039;s sake.&quot;

None of us will live to see if he stands &quot;the test of time.&quot; Elvis is still &lt;I&gt;with us.&lt;/I&gt; But we have only 32 years to measure his contribution by. A hundred years, or further,  hence, will either be remembered? Time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend, in conversation tonight said something like. &#8220;But he was known as no other has been. He was known in Nigeria for Christ&#8217;s sake.&#8221;</p>
<p>None of us will live to see if he stands &#8220;the test of time.&#8221; Elvis is still <i>with us.</i> But we have only 32 years to measure his contribution by. A hundred years, or further,  hence, will either be remembered? Time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Hilen-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/06/michael-jackson-meant-nothing-to-me.html/comment-page-1#comment-517354</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy Hilen-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone dies. Not everyone dies in a way or at  a time that makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone dies. Not everyone dies in a way or at  a time that makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/06/michael-jackson-meant-nothing-to-me.html/comment-page-1#comment-517256</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I was holding out hope that the smoke would clear and we would see little Michael in his later years singing Ben and kicking his ankles around.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh God that is so it, Mary. That is so fucking it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I was holding out hope that the smoke would clear and we would see little Michael in his later years singing Ben and kicking his ankles around.</i></p>
<p>Oh God that is so it, Mary. That is so fucking it.</p>
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