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		<title>By: Deron Bauman</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/07/dear-clusterflock-264.html/comment-page-1#comment-534839</link>
		<dc:creator>Deron Bauman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s certainly not something we have to do. I sometimes feel out of the loop because I don&#039;t have the time to tweet (interest in?). I hoped by integrating some of them, at least on the side, it would both add another layer to the site and bring some of the energy / quirkiness. I wouldn&#039;t want anyone who didn&#039;t want their tweets to appear to have to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s certainly not something we have to do. I sometimes feel out of the loop because I don&#8217;t have the time to tweet (interest in?). I hoped by integrating some of them, at least on the side, it would both add another layer to the site and bring some of the energy / quirkiness. I wouldn&#8217;t want anyone who didn&#8217;t want their tweets to appear to have to.</p>
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		<title>By: India</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/07/dear-clusterflock-264.html/comment-page-1#comment-534758</link>
		<dc:creator>India</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is the other half of my response: I just don&#039;t see the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is the other half of my response: I just don&#8217;t see the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelsey Parker</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/07/dear-clusterflock-264.html/comment-page-1#comment-534744</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelsey Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I like about the idea of a badge/gadget/widget/fuckit is that tweets don&#039;t noisy up the rest of our clusterflock experience.  Which means they may not even be noticed -&#8212; especially not by anyone scanning this blog by RSS.  There&#039;s probably only room for ~10 tweets at a time in a sidebar.  So with the way we all yammer over on Twitter, I&#039;m pretty sure any particular tweet would be live for, at most, ~two daytime (~five nighttime) hours.

This fact, of course, makes the case that there may be little reason to add a badge/gadget/widget/fuckit at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I like about the idea of a badge/gadget/widget/fuckit is that tweets don&#8217;t noisy up the rest of our clusterflock experience.  Which means they may not even be noticed -&mdash; especially not by anyone scanning this blog by RSS.  There&#8217;s probably only room for ~10 tweets at a time in a sidebar.  So with the way we all yammer over on Twitter, I&#8217;m pretty sure any particular tweet would be live for, at most, ~two daytime (~five nighttime) hours.</p>
<p>This fact, of course, makes the case that there may be little reason to add a badge/gadget/widget/fuckit at all.</p>
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		<title>By: India</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/07/dear-clusterflock-264.html/comment-page-1#comment-534721</link>
		<dc:creator>India</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, so here&#039;s the thing—I know I&#039;m always pissing on the clusterparade on this kind of question, but I do not want to have my tweets on Clusterflock.

When I want to post something to Clusterflock, I post it here. When I don&#039;t, I don&#039;t. Yes, they&#039;re both public, but there&#039;s a much smaller audience on Twitter. Knowing that my tweets will show up over here, too, will eliminate that distinction and have a chilling effect on twittering for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, so here&#8217;s the thing—I know I&#8217;m always pissing on the clusterparade on this kind of question, but I do not want to have my tweets on Clusterflock.</p>
<p>When I want to post something to Clusterflock, I post it here. When I don&#8217;t, I don&#8217;t. Yes, they&#8217;re both public, but there&#8217;s a much smaller audience on Twitter. Knowing that my tweets will show up over here, too, will eliminate that distinction and have a chilling effect on twittering for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelsey Parker</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/07/dear-clusterflock-264.html/comment-page-1#comment-534596</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelsey Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a real blog anymore to test anything out on, but I&#039;m pretty sure that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.upsidedowncity.net/building-my-own-twitter-badge-with-rss/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; is what we can install.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a real blog anymore to test anything out on, but I&#8217;m pretty sure that <a href="http://www.upsidedowncity.net/building-my-own-twitter-badge-with-rss/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this</a> is what we can install.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelsey Parker</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/07/dear-clusterflock-264.html/comment-page-1#comment-534509</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelsey Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I figured out how to get what I have on my site showing the conversations between folks.  But... it doesn&#039;t show who&#039;s saying what.  Ha!  That&#039;s kind of, um, useful.

I&#039;ll keep working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I figured out how to get what I have on my site showing the conversations between folks.  But&#8230; it doesn&#8217;t show who&#8217;s saying what.  Ha!  That&#8217;s kind of, um, useful.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep working.</p>
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		<title>By: Deron Bauman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deron Bauman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelsey, I think that&#039;s what I&#039;m thinking of / looking for exactly. A way to integrate at least the tweets so that we get a sense of the communication / life / funny that happens outside the site but doesn&#039;t interfere with the basic coherence of the site. 

Can you, or anyone, think of a way to integrate tweets (into clusterflock) so that it would be graceful and unobtrusive? Perhaps the way you&#039;ve done it on your site would work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelsey, I think that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m thinking of / looking for exactly. A way to integrate at least the tweets so that we get a sense of the communication / life / funny that happens outside the site but doesn&#8217;t interfere with the basic coherence of the site. </p>
<p>Can you, or anyone, think of a way to integrate tweets (into clusterflock) so that it would be graceful and unobtrusive? Perhaps the way you&#8217;ve done it on your site would work.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelsey Parker</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/07/dear-clusterflock-264.html/comment-page-1#comment-534414</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelsey Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I waited a bit to answer this, mostly because I felt like I already gave my opinion in person after the &#039;stock.  But then I remembered not all flockers were present, so I should speak up:

I&#039;m not the coder I used to be (it&#039;s been four years since I coded anything at all and technology ...changes), but I know RSS feeds can be manipulated.  Right now we can use the &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/statuses/friends_timeline/17071931.rss&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;friends&#039; timeline feed for Twitter&lt;/a&gt; and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://api.flickr.com/services/feeds/photos_friends.gne?user_id=38819781@N06&amp;friends=0&amp;display_all=1&amp;lang=en-us&amp;format=rss_200&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;contacts&#039; uploads feed for Flickr&lt;/a&gt; to compile the activity of flockers offsite.*  (NB I don&#039;t care about Facebook even if we do communicate over there from time to time.)

So, this basically proves that we &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; compile our offsite activities.  &lt;i&gt;How&lt;/i&gt; is another question.  There was talk of incorporating photo uploads and tweets into the blog itself, as individual posts.  I won&#039;t support that idea because I&#039;m not a fan of noise.  And since I read everyone&#039;s Twitters and check everyone&#039;s Flickrs on my own time, this would severely affect my comprehension of clusterflock.  I believe in sidebars though... an example of how easy and inoffensively we can display our tweeting activity is on &lt;a href=&quot;http://kelsey.vox.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my infrequent personal blog&lt;/a&gt; (scroll down, on the right).  If I could add that to a VOX (which is to say, unfriendly to widgets) page, I&#039;m sure we can add something similar to clusterflock.  

The reason I&#039;m excited about adding our offsite creativity to this place is because it shapes who we are.  And doesn&#039;t this site try to reflect who we are by what we care about, what we hate, what we laugh at?  I can&#039;t even count the number of times I&#039;ve openly guffawed right here at my office desk because of Twitter conversations between India and Andrew or Mike and Mary.  And if we add some kind of Flickr widget, then there&#039;ll be a consistent stream of Sheila and Cooper that I could really get used to seeing here.  Promoting their efforts.

I&#039;ll stop here because this is practically a five paragraph essay, and just as tiring too.

* I&#039;m pretty sure to look at either of those feeds &lt;i&gt;raw&lt;/i&gt;, you&#039;ll need to know the login details.  Andrew Simone can help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I waited a bit to answer this, mostly because I felt like I already gave my opinion in person after the &#8216;stock.  But then I remembered not all flockers were present, so I should speak up:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not the coder I used to be (it&#8217;s been four years since I coded anything at all and technology &#8230;changes), but I know RSS feeds can be manipulated.  Right now we can use the <a href="http://twitter.com/statuses/friends_timeline/17071931.rss" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">friends&#8217; timeline feed for Twitter</a> and the <a href="http://api.flickr.com/services/feeds/photos_friends.gne?user_id=38819781@N06&#038;friends=0&#038;display_all=1&#038;lang=en-us&#038;format=rss_200" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">contacts&#8217; uploads feed for Flickr</a> to compile the activity of flockers offsite.*  (NB I don&#8217;t care about Facebook even if we do communicate over there from time to time.)</p>
<p>So, this basically proves that we <i>can</i> compile our offsite activities.  <i>How</i> is another question.  There was talk of incorporating photo uploads and tweets into the blog itself, as individual posts.  I won&#8217;t support that idea because I&#8217;m not a fan of noise.  And since I read everyone&#8217;s Twitters and check everyone&#8217;s Flickrs on my own time, this would severely affect my comprehension of clusterflock.  I believe in sidebars though&#8230; an example of how easy and inoffensively we can display our tweeting activity is on <a href="http://kelsey.vox.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">my infrequent personal blog</a> (scroll down, on the right).  If I could add that to a VOX (which is to say, unfriendly to widgets) page, I&#8217;m sure we can add something similar to clusterflock.  </p>
<p>The reason I&#8217;m excited about adding our offsite creativity to this place is because it shapes who we are.  And doesn&#8217;t this site try to reflect who we are by what we care about, what we hate, what we laugh at?  I can&#8217;t even count the number of times I&#8217;ve openly guffawed right here at my office desk because of Twitter conversations between India and Andrew or Mike and Mary.  And if we add some kind of Flickr widget, then there&#8217;ll be a consistent stream of Sheila and Cooper that I could really get used to seeing here.  Promoting their efforts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stop here because this is practically a five paragraph essay, and just as tiring too.</p>
<p>* I&#8217;m pretty sure to look at either of those feeds <i>raw</i>, you&#8217;ll need to know the login details.  Andrew Simone can help.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/07/dear-clusterflock-264.html/comment-page-1#comment-534319</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheila Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Chris. Give us the odd &quot;y&#039;all&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Chris. Give us the odd &#8220;y&#8217;all&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Hilen-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/07/dear-clusterflock-264.html/comment-page-1#comment-534306</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy Hilen-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twitter has proven itself quite useful in the event of revolution, but aside from that, I don&#039;t get it.   I can&#039;t quite wrap my brain around facebook either, but that might be because I&#039;m an antisocial dork.  Now flickr, isn&#039;t there already integration when flockers post photos that link to their flickr account?  Those were thoughts. Here&#039;s a suggestion: Chris, sprinkle in a few y&#039;alls wherever possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twitter has proven itself quite useful in the event of revolution, but aside from that, I don&#8217;t get it.   I can&#8217;t quite wrap my brain around facebook either, but that might be because I&#8217;m an antisocial dork.  Now flickr, isn&#8217;t there already integration when flockers post photos that link to their flickr account?  Those were thoughts. Here&#8217;s a suggestion: Chris, sprinkle in a few y&#8217;alls wherever possible.</p>
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