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	<title>Comments on: Whittaker Chambers on Rand</title>
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		<title>By: Varado</title>
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		<dc:creator>Varado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 02:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the funniest reviews ever, and loved the comments from the anthropoids!</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Charles</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2010/01/whittaker-chambers-on-rand.html/comment-page-1#comment-710335</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;She was an eloquent and persuasive anti-statist, and if only she had left it at that—but no, she had to declare that God did not exist, that altruism was despicable, that only self-interest is good and noble.&quot; 

What, she was supposed to hold reason as an absolute and NOT hold it as an absolute?

&quot;self-interest is good and noble.&quot;

To be exact, she said man was not a sacrificial animal. The jig was up on religion being a legitimate source of morality. F Buckly knew it, but still had to whine about it!   What a loser doing it in her obit.

Also, he had no room to make fun of how Ayn spoke. He was an absolute horrible speaker and was always making weirdo eyes while he spoke!! 
What crack pot WFB was. That he is an idol of the intellectual mystics on the right shows how lame their ideas are.

WFB had Bad Karma!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;She was an eloquent and persuasive anti-statist, and if only she had left it at that—but no, she had to declare that God did not exist, that altruism was despicable, that only self-interest is good and noble.&#8221; </p>
<p>What, she was supposed to hold reason as an absolute and NOT hold it as an absolute?</p>
<p>&#8220;self-interest is good and noble.&#8221;</p>
<p>To be exact, she said man was not a sacrificial animal. The jig was up on religion being a legitimate source of morality. F Buckly knew it, but still had to whine about it!   What a loser doing it in her obit.</p>
<p>Also, he had no room to make fun of how Ayn spoke. He was an absolute horrible speaker and was always making weirdo eyes while he spoke!!<br />
What crack pot WFB was. That he is an idol of the intellectual mystics on the right shows how lame their ideas are.</p>
<p>WFB had Bad Karma!!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Simone</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2010/01/whittaker-chambers-on-rand.html/comment-page-1#comment-709553</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, I believe Chambers recanted his Communist ideology later on in life and to demand intellectually consistency throughout one&#039;s lifetime is ridiculous. You &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; call it irony to reference the gas chamber, but it might also be spoken from a man who later in life understood all to well and personally what those words meant. 

You are welcome, Kai, to dismiss a man who seemed so deeply struggle with antithetical ideas because intellectual inconsistency and irony (I do understand the logic behind it), but it is for that very reason--the very irony ITSELF--that I respect Chambers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, I believe Chambers recanted his Communist ideology later on in life and to demand intellectually consistency throughout one&#8217;s lifetime is ridiculous. You <em>could</em> call it irony to reference the gas chamber, but it might also be spoken from a man who later in life understood all to well and personally what those words meant. </p>
<p>You are welcome, Kai, to dismiss a man who seemed so deeply struggle with antithetical ideas because intellectual inconsistency and irony (I do understand the logic behind it), but it is for that very reason&#8211;the very irony ITSELF&#8211;that I respect Chambers.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Simone</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2010/01/whittaker-chambers-on-rand.html/comment-page-1#comment-709550</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kai Bugge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kai Bugge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be noted that National Review&#039;s hostility towards Ayn Rand did not abate over the years:  at the recent 50th anniversary of Atlas Shrugged they reprinted Chambers review of Atlas Shrugged. So much for the compatibility of conservatives and Objectivists. Republicans hated her (and still hate) for her atheism and the liberals for her political individualism. 

It is fitting that National review used and continue to use a former Stalin soviet spy - that withheld evidence against Hiss from prosecutors for a decade and was caught perjuring himself under oath countless times - as a witness against Ayn Rand&#039;s alleged hatred of humanity. For God&#039;s sake, do you not see the irony of pushing that Atlas Shrugged screamed &quot;“To a gas chamber — go!” all the time this liar had worked as a spy for the mass murdering machinery of Soviet Russia until at least 1938 (when he turned his coat because he had good reason to suspect he was next in line for one of Stalin&#039;s purges).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be noted that National Review&#8217;s hostility towards Ayn Rand did not abate over the years:  at the recent 50th anniversary of Atlas Shrugged they reprinted Chambers review of Atlas Shrugged. So much for the compatibility of conservatives and Objectivists. Republicans hated her (and still hate) for her atheism and the liberals for her political individualism. </p>
<p>It is fitting that National review used and continue to use a former Stalin soviet spy &#8211; that withheld evidence against Hiss from prosecutors for a decade and was caught perjuring himself under oath countless times &#8211; as a witness against Ayn Rand&#8217;s alleged hatred of humanity. For God&#8217;s sake, do you not see the irony of pushing that Atlas Shrugged screamed &#8220;“To a gas chamber — go!” all the time this liar had worked as a spy for the mass murdering machinery of Soviet Russia until at least 1938 (when he turned his coat because he had good reason to suspect he was next in line for one of Stalin&#8217;s purges).</p>
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		<title>By: Daryl Scroggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daryl Scroggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 01:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, Andrew.  The notion that one may engage in a &quot;pure&quot; assessment of ideas, &lt;i&gt;or&lt;/i&gt; fall into an either/or totalizing perspective, demonstrates the lack of a middle view that Rand also lacked. The perception of ideas is always conditioned (in my view) because of the way ideas are valued as opposed to simply being acknowledged. 

On the other hand, I&#039;m always peeved by pigeonholers. I see many young people who, in the first burst of intellectual freedom that results from a new acquaintance with the power of argument, set out to quickly dispatch all the &quot;old guys.&quot; Most of this intellectual activity is an act of making an in-or-out list, in which a memorized derisive phrase suddenly spares one the work of actually considering the thoughts of those dismissed.  Ayn Rand, though, doesn&#039;t do herself any favors when it comes to preventing this quick view: she succeeds instantly with those who would be horrifed to hear that she was an athiest &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; a self-avowed intellectual, and she instantlty alienates those she most longed to impress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, Andrew.  The notion that one may engage in a &#8220;pure&#8221; assessment of ideas, <i>or</i> fall into an either/or totalizing perspective, demonstrates the lack of a middle view that Rand also lacked. The perception of ideas is always conditioned (in my view) because of the way ideas are valued as opposed to simply being acknowledged. </p>
<p>On the other hand, I&#8217;m always peeved by pigeonholers. I see many young people who, in the first burst of intellectual freedom that results from a new acquaintance with the power of argument, set out to quickly dispatch all the &#8220;old guys.&#8221; Most of this intellectual activity is an act of making an in-or-out list, in which a memorized derisive phrase suddenly spares one the work of actually considering the thoughts of those dismissed.  Ayn Rand, though, doesn&#8217;t do herself any favors when it comes to preventing this quick view: she succeeds instantly with those who would be horrifed to hear that she was an athiest <i>and</i> a self-avowed intellectual, and she instantlty alienates those she most longed to impress.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Simone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect it is because her arrogance and hubris didn&#039;t match her intellect. That discongruity is the opposite of the &lt;em&gt;philo&lt;/em&gt;&lt;b&gt;sophic&lt;/b&gt; and a person who is not wise is not a worthwhile thinker.

Such is my reasoning anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect it is because her arrogance and hubris didn&#8217;t match her intellect. That discongruity is the opposite of the <em>philo</em><b>sophic</b> and a person who is not wise is not a worthwhile thinker.</p>
<p>Such is my reasoning anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick T. Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roderick T. Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why both Rand&#039;s supporters and Rand&#039;s critics so often seem to think that her ideas have to be either accepted as a whole or rejected as a whole. Why not see her as someone with many valuable ideas and many flawed ones, the way we see other thinkers?  Nobody takes this all-or-nothing attitude toward other philosophers, living or dead.

Someone who managed to anticipate many of the chief philosophical developments of the last half-century (such as causal theories of reference, causal theories of properties, and the rapprochement between Aristotelean eudaimonism and classical liberalism) can hardly be worthless as a thinker; on the other hand, someone who was so frequently undisciplined in her reasoning can hardly be the greatest philosopher of all time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why both Rand&#8217;s supporters and Rand&#8217;s critics so often seem to think that her ideas have to be either accepted as a whole or rejected as a whole. Why not see her as someone with many valuable ideas and many flawed ones, the way we see other thinkers?  Nobody takes this all-or-nothing attitude toward other philosophers, living or dead.</p>
<p>Someone who managed to anticipate many of the chief philosophical developments of the last half-century (such as causal theories of reference, causal theories of properties, and the rapprochement between Aristotelean eudaimonism and classical liberalism) can hardly be worthless as a thinker; on the other hand, someone who was so frequently undisciplined in her reasoning can hardly be the greatest philosopher of all time.</p>
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		<title>By: Daryl Scroggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daryl Scroggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Buckley&#039;s phrase &quot;choreographical pain.&quot; And Brianna: Yes; and a sad thought it is. It should serve as a reminder that buying a book and buying a philosophy are (or should be) two different things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Buckley&#8217;s phrase &#8220;choreographical pain.&#8221; And Brianna: Yes; and a sad thought it is. It should serve as a reminder that buying a book and buying a philosophy are (or should be) two different things.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I just demand that folks don’t think like &lt;/i&gt;her&lt;i&gt;.&lt;/i&gt;

I think convincing them would be a better option. And you&#039;ll need something better than the &lt;i&gt;National Review&lt;/i&gt; garbage. There’s no argument there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I just demand that folks don’t think like </i>her<i>.</i></p>
<p>I think convincing them would be a better option. And you&#8217;ll need something better than the <i>National Review</i> garbage. There’s no argument there.</p>
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