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	<title>Comments on: The Big Lie About the &#8216;Life of the Mind&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Doc</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2010/02/the-big-lie-about-the-life-of-the-mind.html/comment-page-1#comment-726662</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i also went the useless lit/writing ba route. (so i of course make my living in technology.) yet somehow i do not lay awake nights pining for a bs in computer science</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i also went the useless lit/writing ba route. (so i of course make my living in technology.) yet somehow i do not lay awake nights pining for a bs in computer science</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy Foley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy Foley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, I think most people are having some kind of a hard time these days, whatever their education level. Also, in New York you&#039;re either struggling or rich or you&#039;ve had a stroke of very good fortune.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I think most people are having some kind of a hard time these days, whatever their education level. Also, in New York you&#8217;re either struggling or rich or you&#8217;ve had a stroke of very good fortune.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m here waiting with baited breath for more Lucy, Andrew and of course, India&#039;s POV. 

Where I come from, there are a few roads: the privileged (you have the family&#039;s connections no matter what), the immigrant (study hard, avoid jobs to deter you from education), and the working class (go to school or work hard but DO something). To enlighten, my family is equally divided between slightly damp off the boat immigrant and solid steel working class. It&#039;s been hard to go to school, excel at humanities and see no potential for success outside of school. And I think it starts young. The successful working class and priviledged SEEM to have achieved such a thing through education, after all don&#039;t most career paths require a bachelors? What very few school counselours will note is that it takes drive, enthusiasm and networking. Oh dear networking, how is that supposed to happen if you live in a small town? Or come from/are an immigrant? Where&#039;s your enthusiasm when all this suddenly becomes apparent your third year in a school far from home and your classmates have internships set up for them? 

I realize that there are mentorships and fraternities, honor societies, etc. But even perfectly socialized, intelligent, well-rounded, super-educated folks out there are still struggling. 

/twocents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m here waiting with baited breath for more Lucy, Andrew and of course, India&#8217;s POV. </p>
<p>Where I come from, there are a few roads: the privileged (you have the family&#8217;s connections no matter what), the immigrant (study hard, avoid jobs to deter you from education), and the working class (go to school or work hard but DO something). To enlighten, my family is equally divided between slightly damp off the boat immigrant and solid steel working class. It&#8217;s been hard to go to school, excel at humanities and see no potential for success outside of school. And I think it starts young. The successful working class and priviledged SEEM to have achieved such a thing through education, after all don&#8217;t most career paths require a bachelors? What very few school counselours will note is that it takes drive, enthusiasm and networking. Oh dear networking, how is that supposed to happen if you live in a small town? Or come from/are an immigrant? Where&#8217;s your enthusiasm when all this suddenly becomes apparent your third year in a school far from home and your classmates have internships set up for them? </p>
<p>I realize that there are mentorships and fraternities, honor societies, etc. But even perfectly socialized, intelligent, well-rounded, super-educated folks out there are still struggling. </p>
<p>/twocents</p>
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		<title>By: ThinkTalk Networks - Career TV for College</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThinkTalk Networks - Career TV for College</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Grad School May Not Be the Right Decision...&lt;/strong&gt;

The debate about the merits and deficiencies of pursuing grad school are not anything new. A large section of this debate stems from Thomas H. Benton&#039;s piece last year in the Chronicle of Higher Education, in which the professor asserts that Humanitie...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Grad School May Not Be the Right Decision&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The debate about the merits and deficiencies of pursuing grad school are not anything new. A large section of this debate stems from Thomas H. Benton&#8217;s piece last year in the Chronicle of Higher Education, in which the professor asserts that Humanitie&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela W</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2010/02/the-big-lie-about-the-life-of-the-mind.html/comment-page-1#comment-726159</link>
		<dc:creator>Pamela W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I may be a case in point on this one.

I graduated this past spring with a double major in Fine Arts and Literature. Unless I want to do the professional painter thing, my main option is more schooling. I still have plenty of options to choose from in the grad school department, but not too many of them are practical in the education=job sense. 

Frankly though, I&#039;ve expected this. Choose a Humanities degree and people are bound to tell you how impractical you are from day one. And they&#039;re right: I&#039;m impractical, but I wouldn&#039;t do anything differently. I find myself really missing the intellectual environment. 

But yeah, ok, I&#039;m also working as a waitress and trying to think about Grad school options without hyperventilating. Peace Corps, anyone?.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I may be a case in point on this one.</p>
<p>I graduated this past spring with a double major in Fine Arts and Literature. Unless I want to do the professional painter thing, my main option is more schooling. I still have plenty of options to choose from in the grad school department, but not too many of them are practical in the education=job sense. </p>
<p>Frankly though, I&#8217;ve expected this. Choose a Humanities degree and people are bound to tell you how impractical you are from day one. And they&#8217;re right: I&#8217;m impractical, but I wouldn&#8217;t do anything differently. I find myself really missing the intellectual environment. </p>
<p>But yeah, ok, I&#8217;m also working as a waitress and trying to think about Grad school options without hyperventilating. Peace Corps, anyone?.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Scroggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy Scroggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I ever tell y&#039;all about the professor who stapled Marine Corps applications to his students&#039; papers before handing them back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I ever tell y&#8217;all about the professor who stapled Marine Corps applications to his students&#8217; papers before handing them back?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Simone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I think a person’s powers of imagination may be educated, and that’s what being an English major can do for a person.&lt;/em&gt;

That is invaluable in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I think a person’s powers of imagination may be educated, and that’s what being an English major can do for a person.</em></p>
<p>That is invaluable in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Daryl Scroggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daryl Scroggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see many college students every day who really should save their parents some money and themselves some pain by heading straight for a high-paying trade. If a person doesn&#039;t care deeply about a subject, and want to be around others in order to discuss the matter late into the night--then most college study is a bad idea. It&#039;s not love of a subject (literature, say) that dooms a person--it&#039;s no love at all, no imagination, and the thought that a packaged path is a way to the Good that precludes the need to make judgments.

I remember being a young man just out of the military, with no big responsibilities and a chance to go to school. And like many in such a situation, I found it hard to decide what I wanted to pursue. I floundered around for a while, and then decided that when one doesn&#039;t know what course to take--one should head for what one loves while trying to build a range of broadly applicable abilities along the way. In this way I became happy in my studies of literature. I worked in bookstores, and more than once I had people say--&quot;You&#039;re an &lt;i&gt;English&lt;/i&gt; major? What the hell are you going to do with that dergree?&quot; And I would say that I planned to wipe my ass with it, thank you. They would ask what kind of job I tought I was going to get, and I would say--I have a job now. Naturally I did have to think harder about such things when Cindy and I got married and we had a child, but I wouldn&#039;t have met Cindy if I hadn&#039;t done things the way I have done them. I teach now, and some aspects of the job are pleasant and some are definitely not. But I could also quit anytime I wanted to (and will soon), which is more than many can say who have bought the whole picture--delivered to them by everything from the Prosperity Gospel to ask-your-doctor-about-Prozac ads--of what an American&#039;s life should be. I think a person&#039;s powers of imagination may be educated, and that&#039;s what being an English major can do for a person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see many college students every day who really should save their parents some money and themselves some pain by heading straight for a high-paying trade. If a person doesn&#8217;t care deeply about a subject, and want to be around others in order to discuss the matter late into the night&#8211;then most college study is a bad idea. It&#8217;s not love of a subject (literature, say) that dooms a person&#8211;it&#8217;s no love at all, no imagination, and the thought that a packaged path is a way to the Good that precludes the need to make judgments.</p>
<p>I remember being a young man just out of the military, with no big responsibilities and a chance to go to school. And like many in such a situation, I found it hard to decide what I wanted to pursue. I floundered around for a while, and then decided that when one doesn&#8217;t know what course to take&#8211;one should head for what one loves while trying to build a range of broadly applicable abilities along the way. In this way I became happy in my studies of literature. I worked in bookstores, and more than once I had people say&#8211;&#8221;You&#8217;re an <i>English</i> major? What the hell are you going to do with that dergree?&#8221; And I would say that I planned to wipe my ass with it, thank you. They would ask what kind of job I tought I was going to get, and I would say&#8211;I have a job now. Naturally I did have to think harder about such things when Cindy and I got married and we had a child, but I wouldn&#8217;t have met Cindy if I hadn&#8217;t done things the way I have done them. I teach now, and some aspects of the job are pleasant and some are definitely not. But I could also quit anytime I wanted to (and will soon), which is more than many can say who have bought the whole picture&#8211;delivered to them by everything from the Prosperity Gospel to ask-your-doctor-about-Prozac ads&#8211;of what an American&#8217;s life should be. I think a person&#8217;s powers of imagination may be educated, and that&#8217;s what being an English major can do for a person.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Simone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give me time, Cindy. I am sure I can make it happen.

Also, I book marking this page for posterity. I need hard proof the a Scroggins &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; have a conservative view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give me time, Cindy. I am sure I can make it happen.</p>
<p>Also, I book marking this page for posterity. I need hard proof the a Scroggins <em>can</em> have a conservative view.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Scroggins</title>
		<link>http://www.clusterflock.org/2010/02/the-big-lie-about-the-life-of-the-mind.html/comment-page-1#comment-726127</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy Scroggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bingo, Lucy.  And I don&#039;t have a doctorate--I have a master&#039;s degree.  But I&#039;d very likely be doing the same thing I&#039;m doing, regardless of how far I took the education.  

I&#039;m frankly surprised by people who pursue any degree with a view toward a particular career, only to be shocked to discover that their options are limited.  I&#039;m particularly puzzled by people who pursue humanities doctorates with the intent to teach without realizing what they are actually getting themselves into.  But I don&#039;t blame humanities programs for the problems of underemployment so much as the clueless people who go into them.  (This is a downright conservative view.  Andrew--can you believe it?)

And Andrew hon, my comment was meant to be lighthearted--I&#039;m not the least bit offended by anything this morning.  Not yet, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo, Lucy.  And I don&#8217;t have a doctorate&#8211;I have a master&#8217;s degree.  But I&#8217;d very likely be doing the same thing I&#8217;m doing, regardless of how far I took the education.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m frankly surprised by people who pursue any degree with a view toward a particular career, only to be shocked to discover that their options are limited.  I&#8217;m particularly puzzled by people who pursue humanities doctorates with the intent to teach without realizing what they are actually getting themselves into.  But I don&#8217;t blame humanities programs for the problems of underemployment so much as the clueless people who go into them.  (This is a downright conservative view.  Andrew&#8211;can you believe it?)</p>
<p>And Andrew hon, my comment was meant to be lighthearted&#8211;I&#8217;m not the least bit offended by anything this morning.  Not yet, anyway.</p>
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